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		<title>By: Carlos Serrano-Morales</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlos Serrano-Morales</dc:creator>
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		<description>Karl

My take on this - which I have tried to express in blogs in the past- is that these wars are all caused by the confusion introduced by how CEP vendors position their offering.

Each vendor appplies its marketing spin on the discussion: http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/2009/08/21/cep-versus-esp-an-essay-or-maybe-a-rant/
Of course, in that view CEP is the superset of everything - including production rules. I reminds me of the assertion made at ORF that BPM is a specialization of CEP...
I have listened to presentations which describe whole systems - from fraud management to originations management - as &quot;CEP instantiations&quot;. That&#039;s an incredibly confusing generalization.

As you know, there are other positions which attempt to make a very clear and dogmatic distinction between event processing, business processes and busines rules. See: http://www.edmblog.com/weblog/2008/11/an-attempt-at-demystifying-cep-bpm-and-brms.html - which is the perspective I support. I find it clear, each technology / approach has a clear objective, and where they meet and how they interact is clear.

Our decision management industry will fare much better once we clarify all these things.

Carlos
http://techondec.wordpress.com
http://architectguy.blogspot.com/

P.S. also note that there is confusion also introduced by talking about SQL-based CEP approaches. They are not SQL-based, they just happen to use a SQL-like syntax for the continuous query capabilities.
http://www.coral8.com/blogs/blog-entry/cep-and-sql-top-five-myths
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karl</p>
<p>My take on this &#8211; which I have tried to express in blogs in the past- is that these wars are all caused by the confusion introduced by how CEP vendors position their offering.</p>
<p>Each vendor appplies its marketing spin on the discussion: <a href="http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/2009/08/21/cep-versus-esp-an-essay-or-maybe-a-rant/" rel="nofollow">http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/2009/08/21/cep-versus-esp-an-essay-or-maybe-a-rant/</a><br />
Of course, in that view CEP is the superset of everything &#8211; including production rules. I reminds me of the assertion made at ORF that BPM is a specialization of CEP&#8230;<br />
I have listened to presentations which describe whole systems &#8211; from fraud management to originations management &#8211; as &#8220;CEP instantiations&#8221;. That&#8217;s an incredibly confusing generalization.</p>
<p>As you know, there are other positions which attempt to make a very clear and dogmatic distinction between event processing, business processes and busines rules. See: <a href="http://www.edmblog.com/weblog/2008/11/an-attempt-at-demystifying-cep-bpm-and-brms.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.edmblog.com/weblog/2008/11/an-attempt-at-demystifying-cep-bpm-and-brms.html</a> &#8211; which is the perspective I support. I find it clear, each technology / approach has a clear objective, and where they meet and how they interact is clear.</p>
<p>Our decision management industry will fare much better once we clarify all these things.</p>
<p>Carlos<br />
<a href="http://techondec.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://techondec.wordpress.com</a><br />
<a href="http://architectguy.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://architectguy.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>P.S. also note that there is confusion also introduced by talking about SQL-based CEP approaches. They are not SQL-based, they just happen to use a SQL-like syntax for the continuous query capabilities.<br />
<a href="http://www.coral8.com/blogs/blog-entry/cep-and-sql-top-five-myths" rel="nofollow">http://www.coral8.com/blogs/blog-entry/cep-and-sql-top-five-myths</a><br />
Another souce of confusion&#8230;</p>
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